Re: MIX

May 2, 2007 23:14

Well, WiFi may cost $9.95 at the Venetian, but at McCarran it's free. I'm sitting here with Miguel de Icaza as we wait for our plane back to Boston. MIX was a blast, and SilverLight has seems to have everyone, both inside and outside of Microsoft, really excited. If you haven't been following the news from the past couple days, I urge you to take a look. Perhaps the third times a charm: It really looks like Silverlight has the goods to deliver immersive, functionally rich applications where client-side Java and Flash fell short.

The real value of MIX is meeting new people, as well as spend face-to-face time with those you've only met digitally. Getting a chance to spend time with Rob, Phil, Jon, and Miguel was worth the price of admission alone. Can't wait until next year...

Rob and I got to spend a little time brainstorming (ok, drinking) and I think we're starting to get a fuzzy picture of where SubSonic is going next. Without going into specifics (because there aren't any) the general theme is what I've been calling "moving up the stack." With SubSonic 2.0, we spent a lot of time on plumbing, and now it's time to take advantage of that work to build the high value features and applications that make SubSonic more that just another DAL.

But the first order of business is to stamp out crank out some bug fixes to 2.0, hopefully by the end of next week. So if you've discovered any problems over the last week, I urge you to get them into CodePlex as soon as possible.

Almost time to board, so I'll call it a post... See you back east.


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May 3. 2007 13:10

kevin

eric, hope you have a safe flight.

seems to be a lot of items in the tracker - godspeed with that. (i've put one in for m2m ... yup, same topic, different issue from last)

As far as requests go, and moving up the stack, I think it's prob time to consider generating some sort of MVP(or MVC) generation.

I've implemented my own custom MVC design for a few clients in the past but most recently I've been impressed with Craig Shoemaker (aka polymorphic podcasts) implementation - http://polymorphicpodcast.com/shows/mv-patterns/

I need some time with it myself, but I'm pretty sure I (or someone else) would be capable of writing a template that generates code for this pattern.

To get to this point (or any future goals) though, I think the SS project is going to need to start enforcing some conventions.

For example, if you were to generate MVP pattern for Northwind's Product table. I would assume it would create a Product directory(aka folder) and within that there would be two core view items Edit.aspx and List.aspx and the respective codebehind. The Edit view would be used for both creating new products and also viewing existing product. The List view would provide a list of the products, paging, etc. Same would go for the rest of the objects (and therefor tables). That would cover out of the box needs for most.

Then, the rest of the MVP design would need to be generated (Presenter, interfaces, Services, etc).

This topic needs to be followed up with further consideration, obviously.

I know Rob mentioned generating MVC via SS awhile back but now that ScottGu mentioned asp.net will have this in the future I think some people may be hesitant to devote the time to it.

Anyway, it's just a suggestion - like you asked.

let me know what ya think. cheers!

kevin

May 3. 2007 17:29

Jim Bonnie

Eric,

I attended the open source panel session at mix and it was a blast. I missed your post about the lunch get together on Wednesday, but was meeting so many people and could not get to everyone.

I flew back to JFK last night and made it in to the office and playing with the SS 2.0 bits.

Thanks, Jim

Jim Bonnie

May 3. 2007 18:31

Eric Kemp

Kevin: Some interesting ideas there... Thanks for URL... I'm going to give that a watch/listen and mull over this idea for a bit.

Jim: Sorry we didn't get a chance to meet up. The whole SubSonic meeting thing was rather last minute - next year we'll make sure we plan something ahead of time...

Eric Kemp

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